Vinegar jars,puzzling results and break up tactics

[marki]

Hi All,

I'm planning to start on this vinegar jar to end the relationship of a husband and his ex-mistress that he's maintaining a "friendship" with (and the wife is against this friendship of course since this guy has managed to maintain this friendship behind her back!).

Anyway, I've gathered all my ingredients for it (apple cider vinegar, 9 pins, 9 rusty nails, some broken glass, sulphur, black mustard seeds, red/black peppers), now I'm writing down a petition paper to put inside the jar and I need help from anyone who has done this kind of magick successfully, on how to go about or what to write in the petition paper...I have initially drafted the petition below but I would need suggestions to make sure it is a strong petition:

"As this vinegar is sour, then the relationship between ---(names)--- will turn sour and sourer from this day onwards.
(name)---&---(name) relationship/friendship will be overwhelmed with too much discord, hate & strife
that the only relief will be to sever their ties, break-up their relationship and never communicate ever again...."

What do you think?

BTW, this is my first time to do a jar spell so I welcome all suggestions, thanks!


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[Nagual-Hoor-Lam]

I like it.

"As this vinegar is sour, then the relationship between ---(names)--- will turn sour and sourer from this day onwards.
(name)---&---(name) relationship/friendship will be overwhelmed with too much discord, hate & strife
that the only relief will be to sever their ties, break-up their relationship and never communicate ever again...."

What I'd change it to read like:
"As this vinegar is sour, the relationship between ---(names)---Is sour and sourer from this day onwards.
(name)---&---(name) relationship/friendship, overwhelmed with too much discord, hate & strife. The only relief: They sever their ties, break-up their relationship, and never communicate ever again!"

Le Present tense. It is so nOwz!

I'd also read this several times and then draw a sigil to represent it, by mindlessly applying pen to paper. Or however you do it.

I'd use both in the spell. I'd maybe put the sigil on the exterior of the bottle. The petition inside it after you read it and seal it and whatnot.

Maybe throw in some stinging nettle.

[marki]

I like it.

"As this vinegar is sour, then the relationship between ---(names)--- will turn sour and sourer from this day onwards.
(name)---&---(name) relationship/friendship will be overwhelmed with too much discord, hate & strife
that the only relief will be to sever their ties, break-up their relationship and never communicate ever again...."

What I'd change it to read like:
"As this vinegar is sour, the relationship between ---(names)---Is sour and sourer from this day onwards.
(name)---&---(name) relationship/friendship, overwhelmed with too much discord, hate & strife. The only relief: They sever their ties, break-up their relationship, and never communicate ever again!"

Le Present tense. It is so nOwz!

I'd also read this several times and then draw a sigil to represent it, by mindlessly applying pen to paper. Or however you do it.

I'd use both in the spell. I'd maybe put the sigil on the exterior of the bottle. The petition inside it after you read it and seal it and whatnot.

Maybe throw in some stinging nettle.

Wow thanks for the suggestions Nagual-Hoor-Lam!

You're right about changing the petition to the present tense, I'll do that. I'm also thinking of adding this as the last phrase "....their relationship is finally DEAD!" And yes, I plan to shake the jar while saying the petition, and burn a black candle on top of the jar, I plan to do this every night for 7 consecutive nights before I bury it in the yard where the husband works (because that's where apparently the "relationship" is taking place).

Very good idea on adding a sigil ...but I honestly haven't work with sigils before, could you please give me some resources or references for the sigil that I can use for this particular work?

And how can I forget the stinging nettle? I'll look for some here in the yard, but I have with me some dead red fire ants, I think I'll use those too in addition to the stinging nettle. If I'll get lucky to find some dog poop around the yard, I'll add that too to make it really disgusting

Any other tips, I'll appreciate it, thanks!


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[Nagual-Hoor-Lam]

Very good idea on adding a sigil ...but I honestly haven't work with sigils before, could you please give me some resources or references for the sigil that I can use for this particular work?

Mmm there are a shiteload of ways to make and empower a sigil.

Generally I just come up with a statement that describes my intent. Then cut out some of the doubled letters. Then take the remaining letters and rearrange them into a new glyph. Voi la, sigil.

Other times I just think the thought and make a squiggle. Then refine the squiggle until it looks more magical.

Empowering the sigil can be done in a myriad of ways. But my favorite method for a while now has been trataka.

Jan Fries' book visual magick is a good one for methods of working with sigils.

Alternately you could employ the sigil of a spirit. There are lots of places to get those. I think the Necronomicon has something appropriate if you are feeling ballsy.

[sylvanus]

This new turn in the thread makes me want to start a petition paper vs sigil thread*. In theory one is supposed to replace the other, although the idea of having the sigil on the outside is solid. I personaly would cross-write the names of the involved parties a number of times based on the nature of the working and put a completed sigil on the other side.

edit-*I did.

[Nagual-Hoor-Lam]

Neat!

Oh, that reminds me, I ought to have mentioned. One of the jars I made worked out tidily, but it took 3 months. The second one I deployed for another situation... Some effect, but not enough. I'd call it a Failure. He does have at least one dead thing around him though. I think it/they protect him. Not concerned about the situation now though. It works itself out.

[marki]

Very good idea on adding a sigil ...but I honestly haven't work with sigils before, could you please give me some resources or references for the sigil that I can use for this particular work?

Mmm there are a shiteload of ways to make and empower a sigil.

Generally I just come up with a statement that describes my intent. Then cut out some of the doubled letters. Then take the remaining letters and rearrange them into a new glyph. Voi la, sigil.

Other times I just think the thought and make a squiggle. Then refine the squiggle until it looks more magical.

Empowering the sigil can be done in a myriad of ways. But my favorite method for a while now has been trataka.

Jan Fries' book visual magick is a good one for methods of working with sigils.

Alternately you could employ the sigil of a spirit. There are lots of places to get those. I think the Necronomicon has something appropriate if you are feeling ballsy.

Thanks for that info. I did some research on the subject and found some resources online so I will practice making sigils prior to doing my vinegar jar.


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[marki]

Neat!

Oh, that reminds me, I ought to have mentioned. One of the jars I made worked out tidily, but it took 3 months. The second one I deployed for another situation... Some effect, but not enough. I'd call it a Failure. He does have at least one dead thing around him though. I think it/they protect him. Not concerned about the situation now though. It works itself out.

You're referring to those vinegar jars where you used both petition paper & sigils, correct?

Since I haven't done any sigils before, I'm going to practice making sigils for now. But I think I will have to do without it for the particular jar I plan to make and just put the petition paper inside, plus the crossed names, just wanted to conform it with the hoodoo tradition....but very good idea on adding a sigil to the jar.

[Nagual-Hoor-Lam]

You're referring to those vinegar jars where you used both petition paper & sigils, correct?

Yeah, I used both a petition paper on the inside and a sigil on the outside. The rest of the 'recipe' is pretty much the usual. I put some old salmon and mouldy hot peppers in one of them.

Since I haven't done any sigils before, I'm going to practice making sigils for now. But I think I will have to do without it for the particular jar I plan to make and just put the petition paper inside, plus the crossed names, just wanted to conform it with the hoodoo tradition....but very good idea on adding a sigil to the jar.

I guess you could say I practice "chaos magick" (though I don't think of myself as a chaos magician per se.) So I feel free to use sigils in conjunction with pretty much anything. Do as it pleases you.

[mochagoddess38]

I'm reading this and wow! I have a few questions. What size jar do you need? And the contents are just vinegar and anything thats just nasty, right? If you want to put fish in there you have to rot it first or can you put it in the vinegar etc and let it become nasty that way. Is there any specific chant or invocation that must be used? If the target is one person that you want to keep away from others, is that possible? I'm a newbie at this. Help!!!