Anyone Worked With Dalath or Knowledge Sphere?

[DarkPhoenix777]

Most ceremonial magick is christian

[lgdvl73]

that statement should read:

most grimoire magicians are fundamentalists

T

[lgdvl73]

I just realized you think you're a vampire

T

[raum215]

This is something I would love to discuss with you Raum. I think there is a huge misconception in application as to where the abyss lies in our contemporary waking awareness.

I totally agree.

Generally speaking, as with the allegory of D'aath splitting open the interiors of the earth, I would correspond D'aath with Piaget's Formal Operational Awareness in a psychograph. D'aath is the aspect of our being which allows us to conduct formal operations on our thoughts (thinking about thinking), and also to engage in the mental symbol manipulation which makes magick possible. (flux capacitor?)

I am unfamiliar with Piaget in general. To the second statement, without excluding people, I have to speak to concepts we might all be familiar with. Have you seen the matrix? Know that interface port they had on the back of their head, the void, that let them recieve the cable jack to enter the matrix? That interface port is perhaps a good metaphor for Da'ath in some ways. My personal work has led me to believe and conclude there is a strong connection between the Angelum Bonorum and Da'ath.

The Vedantic Overmind, as an aspect of mentality that can be illuminated (and therefor easily mistaken for transcendence) is also perfectly correspondent in both my study of the materials and their application in practice with D'aath.

Yes, the person halfway up the mountain often looks at the ground and wonders at their accomplishment, and lords overt those that climb behind them - not realizing they are falling out of step with the people before them. This is why it is very important to pay attention to those who come before you, those who come with you, and those who will follow.

Care to make criticism about those statements? or to make connections with other rabbinical qabalistic lore?

T

My personal understanding of this is that in most cases, western Qabala starts at the bottom of the tree, and moves "upward" when it is quite clear, this was infused from merkhaba mystcism, and that Qabala originally actually brought currents DOWN the tree. I think my question to you would be if you think working DOWN the tree would support your assumption. Also if you could point me to some Paiget relative to this, I'd love to read and make more comments. I just never read him until you mentioned him, and it seems too expansive for me to inform my self of this topic in a reasonable period of time.

[DarkPhoenix777]

I am unfamiliar with Piaget in general. To the second statement, without excluding people, I have to speak to concepts we might all be familiar with. Have you seen the matrix? Know that interface port they had on the back of their head, the void, that let them recieve the cable jack to enter the matrix? That interface port is perhaps a good metaphor for Da'ath in some ways. My personal work has led me to believe and conclude there is a strong connection between the Angelum Bonorum and Da'ath.

sounds similar to Rankine and the modern golden dawn materials so probably the easiest way to use it practically. I'm afraid all my notes on daath point to macMathers kabbalah unveiled. so there must be somethings in there. here you go.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tku/tku00.htm

[DarkPhoenix777]

:rofl I just realized you think you're a vampire

the revival of magick by crowley "Now for the third class of magical operations! It deals no longer with the brain of the magician himself, as in the case of visions and evocations; it acts upon third parties directly. I refer to the arts of “fascination” in its proper sense — the word comes from the Latin “fascinum.” Love is blind: and fascination includes all arts that have this effect. You transform yourself, like Zeus into swan or bull, like Lucius into an ass, like the Egyptian Magi into an hawk, swallow, or Ibis, or like the Syrian into a dove, and by this means compel the desired object to your arms. Or you become invisible — in the practical sense that you remain unseen by those whom you wish not to see you, and if you are playfully inclined, and hungry, you become a bat or a wolf and go afield for blood. These stories are not legends: they veil true powers. I only once tried vampirism, for examination purposes, and in about an hour I bled my victim white. I passed with honors and special mention."

dion fortune psychic self defence chapter 5 is devoted to the subject.

most vampires I meet are extremely good energy workers. I wouldn't say it is a part of who or what I am.

[lgdvl73]

strong connection between the Angelum Bonorum and Da'ath.

This is very interesting, in the sense of the 49 Angelorum Bonorum "touching the earth", and your prior reference to Da'ath being the energy which cracks open the earth of IHVH's creation; I would make the connection that the operation implied in the Bonorum Angelorum Invocationes is this precise process of cracking open the kingdom. Consecration in a definite direction.

Have you read C. Lionel Whitby's discussion about the ensigns of creation? I think his interpretation of the ensigns allegorically representing the alchemical creation of the white stone is important, as I think that is the purpose of the Heptarchic Magick (inclusive of the Sigillum Dei Aemeth); that is to purify and prepare the Magician for the further processes in the Magick; most specifically the initiations conferred in Gebofal.

The next step of course is to bring up the principles of God Eating, but this is a post-Da'ath operation. But this was the point of my original comment on the thread is that Da'ath when seen as in the above discussion is the end of the true and original dedication. Which means Da'ath (which in pop culture magick is associated with all manner of wisdom and power; oh the irony) is actually the completion of the Neophyte initiation.

Yes, the person halfway up the mountain often looks at the ground and wonders at their accomplishment, and lords overt those that climb behind them - not realizing they are falling out of step with the people before them. This is why it is very important to pay attention to those who come before you, those who come with you, and those who will follow.

Thank you, I do agree!

in most cases, western Qabala starts at the bottom of the tree, and moves "upward" when it is quite clear, this was infused from merkhaba mystcism, and that Qabala originally actually brought currents DOWN the tree.

"The Way Up is The Way Down" - Heraclitus

Working Down the Tree absolutely supports my position that the Mental and Cognitive development described in Piaget's research is closely cognate with Da'ath. Formal Operational Awareness is in easily contemporay occult qabalistic jargon an observer and operator upon the Ruach, without being completely transcendent. Its a development of cognition that is cross culturally verifiable, and also allows the brain to perform complex operations on its own images, symbols, concepts, and social rule/roles.

The practice of learning Qabalistic correspondences is itself an exercise in formal operational awareness, which develops into full blown network logic. This is the true power of Da'ath in my experience, is its ability to create a network of concepts, even if some are contradictory, to point to an abstraction that has not yet been expressed. This is why it can interface between the Ideal and Actual.

Thoughts?

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